and i'm a big fan, i'm from iowa originally. >> nice. >> yes. i'm an atheist and in zanesville, ohio, in 2008 you asserted that no organization receiving taxpayer funds would be able to discriminate in hiring or firing based on a person's religion. however, you have not rescinded the executive order that permits this type of discrimination. in a time of economic hardship when it's difficult for a person to get a job based on her skills, what would you say to a woman who has been denied employment because of her religion or lack of religious beliefs by a taxpayer-funded organization? >> well, this is a very difficult issue, but a more narrow one than i think might be implied. it's very straightforward that people shouldn't be discriminated against for race, gender, sexual orientation or religious affiliation. what has happened is, is that there has been a carve out, dating back to president clinton's presidency, for religious organizations in their hiring for particular purposes. and this is always a tricky part of the first amendment. on the one